[roads] Key:vehicle, Key:motor_vehicle â render values "destination", "permissive", "private" #1651
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Author: steve8[at]mdx.ac.uk Done - initially only for residential and unclassified |
Author: Claas Augner Thank you! However, as most "access=permissive" tags apply to service roads, could you please include the latter, too? |
Author: steve8[at]mdx.ac.uk Claas Gladly - will add destination and private to service too. |
Author: Claas Augner I must admit I've erred: As almost all service roads are either impasses or exclusively private, neither "access=permissive" nor "access=destination" does make any sense there at all. Nobody would probably allow strangers drive through one's private way (because if it's a shortcut, annoyingly many would use it) and nobody drives into an impasse, if it wasn't one's destination. Must have mixed it up with footways, where "access=permissive" does make sense (in addition to: "no", "private" and, rarely if at all, "destination"), meaning "you may use this private footway at your own risk". "access=destination" does indeed only apply to residential and unclassified (those that shall not be used as a shortcut). Sorry for that. P.S. I was just wondering whether it would make sense to have "access=no" rendered, but currently no proper example would cross my mind. |
Author: Bob
I thing the correct tag for such streets - esp. in Germany "Anlieger frei" - is vehicle=destination since foot/horse access is still permitted even if you use the way as a short cut instead of sthg. residential. I.e. a general access=destination w/o allowing foot, horse explicitly is usually wrong. Unfortunately the vehicle tag doesn't render yet. |
Author: Vid the Kid I have some valid example uses of "access=permissive": Footway: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.054687&lon=-83.070925&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF Service: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.952118&lon=-83.122563&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF Semi-entertaining tangent: |
Author: Claas Augner
Steve, could you please add rendering for "vehicle=private" and "motor_vehicle=private" (same rendering as "access=private")? As "access=private" - like Bob says - theoretically forbids pedestrians and cyclists to use the way (which is - almost - never the case), removing rendering for "access=private" should be considered (in order to gain attention to the problem and support proper tagging), maybe in combination with an appropriate rule in JOSM's validator plugin. |
Author: Claas Augner Please don't mind my previous post. I'm afraid I have mixed two concerns up in it. Nevertheless I guess having rendering rules for keys "vehicle" and "motor_vehicle" with values "destination", "permissive" and "private" (same as the corresponding rule for key "access") is, after all, not a bad idea. Furthermore, as access declarations (apart from "access=no" and "access=yes") practically never apply to all road users, removing rendering for key "access" with any value (apart from "no") is still worth considering. Currently, I would not intuitively fix streets with "access=destination" (for example) due to the missing "motor_vehicle=destination" rendering. Once it renders, I would at least fix it, if I knew the "problem". So once "access=*" does not render any more, I would be prone to make enquiries and then finally fix it. |
Author: math1985 This issue is currently being discussed on Github: gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto#214 |
Reporter: Claas Augner
[Submitted to the original trac issue database at 10.38pm, Sunday, 15th March 2009]
Currently only "access=private" ways are marked appropriately (light red) in Mapnik.
Nevertheless it would be really good, if like already in Osmarender (cf. #364) also "access=destination" (light blue) and "access=permissive" (light green) tags could be rendered by Mapnik.
"access=destination" applies inter alia to many residential streets that aren't allowed to be taken as a shortcut between main roads (in German "Anlieger frei" = "residents only", e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.86037&lon=8.56934&zoom=17&layers=0B00FTF).
"access=permissive" appplies to private ways that are still (permissibly) accessible. Rendering this is important, because I suppose that currently due to the lack of rendering many such ways are tagged by mistake as private ways (= reputedly unaccessible).
I don't know if there are any "access=no" ways, but they should certainly be marked appropriately as well (e.g. the "access=private" color as a continuous line).
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