Opened 7 years ago

Closed 5 years ago

#4403 closed task (duplicate)

No motivation to add shops that are not rendered in osm default view.

Reported by: baditaflorin Owned by: mapnik-team@…
Priority: major Milestone:
Component: mapnik Version:
Keywords: render, icons, shop, park Cc: NobodysNightmare, Fluclo

Description

I tell you, me as a mapper, and a lot of the people that i speak and that use the map to search for something, they don`t care about multi database view, etc.

They want to go to OSM.ORG , go to the place that they want, and see the map. Today i was doing walking maps, and noted around 100 POI. What`s my motivation to add shop=shoes shop=kiosk shop=variety_store shop=electronics shop=computer if i will not see it on the map. And as a workaround i have the tendency to use wrong tags, so that it will get rendered on the map. Like in stead of using shop=newsstand or shop=kiosk i add shop=convenience so that it gets rendered in osm.org

And this will provide bad results for people that make applications for IOS and android, because they will search for convenience_store and find newsstand, bus tickets shop, etc.

There are over 18000 POI tagged with shop=kiosk , and still this is not rendered in mapnik osmk default view.

7000 for shop=electronics http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/?key=shop&value=electronics

5 171 0.16 % for amenity=veterinary 12 198 0.37 % for amenity=dentist

And im sure that maybe more people will add even more rare shops, like shop=fabric 756 0.13 % or shop=frame if they would be displayed on the map. Even google have a icon for shop=fabric, its a generic one used for shop=art and a lot more, but they display it.

Today i did an entire park, with all the benches, waste bins, lights, but sincerely i will not add it to OSM, because is not going to be rendered, and 99 % of the people will not see my work. Hell, even i will not see my work. The only thing that i will add from the park its going to be the toilets, i hope they get rendered, i instructed some friends if they will go in a park, open there browser and go to osm.org, and look on the map for the toilets. the end user is a simple guy, that needs to find something on the map.

Change History (6)

comment:1 in reply to:  description Changed 7 years ago by baditaflorin

Replying to baditaflorin:

I tell you, me as a mapper, and a lot of the people that i speak and that use the map to search for something, they don`t care about multi database view, etc.

They want to go to OSM.ORG , go to the place that they want, and see the map. Today i was doing walking maps, and noted around 100 POI. What`s my motivation to add shop=shoes shop=kiosk shop=variety_store shop=electronics shop=computer if i will not see it on the map. And as a workaround i have the tendency to use wrong tags, so that it will get rendered on the map. Like in stead of using shop=newsstand or shop=kiosk i add shop=convenience so that it gets rendered in osm.org

And this will provide bad results for people that make applications for IOS and android, because they will search for convenience_store and find newsstand, bus tickets shop, etc.

There are over 18000 POI tagged with shop=kiosk , and still this is not rendered in mapnik osmk default view.

7000 for shop=electronics http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/?key=shop&value=electronics

5 171 0.16 % for amenity=veterinary 12 198 0.37 % for amenity=dentist

9 267 1.55 % for shop=books

5 686 0.95 % shop=optician

And im sure that maybe more people will add even more rare shops, like shop=fabric 756 0.13 % or shop=frame if they would be displayed on the map. Even google have a icon for shop=fabric, its a generic one used for shop=art and a lot more, but they display it.

Today i did an entire park, with all the benches, waste bins, lights, but sincerely i will not add it to OSM, because is not going to be rendered, and 99 % of the people will not see my work. Hell, even i will not see my work. The only thing that i will add from the park its going to be the toilets, i hope they get rendered, i instructed some friends if they will go in a park, open there browser and go to osm.org, and look on the map for the toilets. the end user is a simple guy, that needs to find something on the map.

comment:2 in reply to:  description Changed 7 years ago by malatte

I agree

I would also like to see entered shops (as example) although their tags are not frequently used. One could use a generic icon for 'other' shops?

comment:3 Changed 7 years ago by NobodysNightmare

Cc: NobodysNightmare added

+1

The shop-example is great. I think it would help very much to have all shops being rendered with a default icon and "supported" shops with a more appropriate one.

In my city I've seen the owner of a shoe-shop changing his shop from shop=shoe to shop=clothes because this will be getting rendered. As a workaround I added the deprecated clothes=shoes.

Other shops in the city are just getting rendered wih their housenumber, instead of a default icon and their name.

I think the map quality will benefit from this kind of support, as people will tend less to poison the map-data with inaccuracies.

comment:4 Changed 7 years ago by Fluclo

Cc: Fluclo added

+1

All those flagged amenity=* should be rendered, if there is a known icon, to display that, if no known icon, to display a generic amenity icon. I added a load of amenity=waste_basket, and stopped adding more since it was not being rendered, same goes with shops, I stopped adding those that were not rendering.

comment:5 in reply to:  4 Changed 7 years ago by Ldp

Replying to Fluclo:

I added a load of amenity=waste_basket, and stopped adding more since it was not being rendered, same goes with shops, I stopped adding those that were not rendering.

The makers of the Waste Basket Map and the Shop Map thank you.

comment:6 Changed 5 years ago by math1985

Resolution: duplicate
Status: newclosed

This issue is now being discussed on Github: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/452

Therefore, I will close the issue here.

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